Recently, JR who is a frequent commentator on this blog noticed something fascinating via google earth. He began to notice huge amounts of land that were possibly ancient farmlands all around the world. This begs the question: What were ancient people growing so much food for if the global population back then really wasn’t that large?
Below are the comments posted by JR concerning his finds. At the end I will post my own thoughts about this phenomena. GREAT FIND JR!! Now we must solve this mystery and that’s why I’ve created this post so that we can discuss your finds in one place 🙂
COMMENTS BY JR about ancient farming:
Well in following this as you guys are I realized something interesting. I got to thinking about ancient farming and how much was being farmed that is now lost due to the environment drying up into desert like the or civilizations disappearing and farmlands being over grown.
As you know I am big about exploring with Google Earth. I have found evidence of ancient farmlands being much more area than current farm lands by about ten to one. A thought came to me that the ancient populations, maybe even “before” the last ice age, had to be absolutely incredible and not at all what we are lead to believe.
I did some theoretical math based on what I can see with my own eyes on Google Earth. We are digging up previously ancient farmed land everywhere, the overgrown Amazon for example. By my estimates I figure from what I see about 30% of most continents were being farmed at one time in the past.
What we farm now is but a fraction of what was once actually being farmed. The current population is 7.6 billion right? So figure it takes an average of one acre to feed one person for a year no matter how it is utilized. Grain, Crops, or Husbandry. So we are currently using about the same in farmland acreage.
So based on just what I can see and what we have dug up in just South America and Now Africa including the Sahara. The ancient population numbers we are given just do not add up now that we are finding all this ancient farmland.
Not counting the much wetter past Middle East, what little there was in North America, Southern Asia, China, and now arid parts of India like the Indus Valley…
6,880,000 sq miles = 4,403,200,000 acres
30% = 1,320,960,000 Acres
11,600,000 sq miles = 7,424,000,000
30% = 2,227,200,000
3,548,160,000 Acres total farmed in ancient S.A. and Africa. One acre per individual average equates to 3.5 billion in just South America and Africa alone. Now my thinking might be off on this but what made me wonder about this discrepancy was tooling around the Andes on Google Earth and realizing that every mountain grade 45 degrees or even steeper is terraced for ancient farming.
And we now know most of the flatter lands were also all farmed and no longer farmed like the Nasca Plain . That is a huge amount of acreage and not being looked at as a total. In fact from what I am looking at there the total of ancient acreage no longer farmed is more than even the current population numbers of South America would ever need. Same with Africa…
Like I say I might be off a bit but the evidence is there for a very possible huge discrepancy. Something isn’t quite right with the official estimates.
Has anyone else taken a real look at this?
Yes, something just isn’t right… Why would they farm all that if they didn’t need it? Survival was hard enough let alone unnecessary effort without real need. I will have to dig deeper when I get a chance
I spent the better part of yesterday checking more locations around the world. The evidence and ratio difference is just incredible. And that doesn’t even take into account the natural hunting and gathering that was also happening simultaneously depending on local resources or lack of arable lands. And It’s been there the whole time.
At first I thought maybe it was due to the rise and fall of cultures that ended up abandoning, relocating, and re-cultivating. But after looking at these locations it becomes obvious that they were all being utilized around the same time based on weathering, overgrowth and Etc. So they were actually all needed around the same time, which would indicate a hugely underestimated population.
Then I got thinking maybe certain locations no longer need as much local farming because they are importing. But this importing still needs to be grown elsewhere also which takes acreage. And what I am finding is that even with modern things to deal with like mandatory use of ethanol we are still not using a tenth of what I am finding evidence of from the past world wide.
I am in complete agreement with you about the rumors of lost advanced civilizations. Just look at all the deep earth finds that are being found yet discredited. Thousands of feet underground in Coal mines and Gold mines just as an example. And you have mentioned it here and Hancock mentioned it a couple times, but we tend to think of advances in technology as linear and universal.
When even now there are examples of man still living in the stone age while we now have artificial intelligence technology. I don’t think things have changed much and it has been the same way throughout history. I am absolutely sure a linear “time line” of technology cannot be adhered to at all when judging one geographic location against another or culture with another.
Just look at all the older building techniques that were far more advanced than the more recent building techniques. I am thinking that there was definitely a time lost and forgotten when the population world wide may have been even more than it is now just based on this discrepancy about the true acreage once needing to be farmed.
Other than estimate all the no longer utilized land I am seeing, and prove it with side by side examples compared to what is used now, where do I go from here with this?
60k new ancient Mayan sites have been found using Lydar. If only 100 ppl lived at each of these then we are talking about 6 million. If only 1000 lived at each that would be 60 million. [Note: I threw this in the mix because I think it’s highly significant as are JR’s Mayan population estimates. These ruins plus the ones we know about and have excavated makes the ancient Mayan population much larger than we thought. In fact, it makes that population HUGE! Imagine the amount of food the Mayans’ would have needed in order to feed this size population? I think this find by Lydar answers some of the reasons for the huge ancient farmlands JR has found. And, how many more unknown ruins around the globe have not yet been revealed? If there were 60 million ancient Mayans then what was the global population?]
My thoughts about this phenomena:
In my mind JR has found something absolutely astounding to say the least. His calculations are equally astounding. He says:
3,548,160,000 Acres total farmed in ancient S.A. and Africa. One acre per individual average equates to 3.5 billion in just South America and Africa alone
If correct then the human population in just South America and Africa alone was near 3.5 billion. That is a number far higher than what we’ve suspected the population on these continents to be at any given time in the past. And if there were this many people on these two continents at the time then what was the population of all the other continents? It’s a number that approaches our own numbers today (ie: about 7 billion or more).
One thing I know about hunter-gatherer and farmer populations is that they don’t waste their time. They can’t afford to as their very survival depends on the efficient use and management of their time. So I don’t think these ancient people were just farming for the hell of it. And if they were then I’m certain they ended up with a lot of crop rotting on the vine which would be a complete waste.
There is only one reason why so much land was being farmed and that is that the global human population had to have been far larger than we suspect. Large populations require large amounts of crops and other food supplies in order to survive. Frankly, I don’t think these ancient farmers were just wasting their time. They had a HUGE population to feed and that explains why JR is finding so much ancient farmland around the globe.
I think this find is HIGHLY significant. It’s a mystery. One of many mysteries about our past. But, with careful research and analysis it’s a mystery that can be solved I believe. So let’s solve it! HERE!! Let’s find out what the hell was going on back then and why so much land was being farmed………………………..:)