33 comments on “Man and the Sea: Discovery in Canada Older than the Pyramids!

  1. Here is the key statement that caught my eye…

    “Artifacts from the village were discovered on Triquet Island 310 miles Northwest of Victoria, Canada.”

    Wait???…on an Island? Physically impossible by todays common consensus that all early man species were hydrophobic. 🙂

    Love it!

    Like

    • I was waiting for “there was another landbridge connecting the island to the mainland” statement but was surprised when they suggested these people used boats 14 kya. Finally some common sense! And btw since these ancient people used boats then that tells me they also knew how to swim. 🙂

      Like

  2. I was too. Unfortunately from the link to their source at iflscience.com there is actually an update note to this effect.

    ” Edited 04/11/17: After speaking to the Hakai Institute, we have edited our explanation of how the Triquest Island discovery is reaffirming how people migrated down the coast of North America AFTER CROSSING THE LAND BRIDGE.”

    So it looks like someone may have contacted them and laid down the law about sticking to the land bridge theory. Upsets me that they would change the narrative into something that makes no sense. They could float all right, but not until AFTER the Land Crossing. what a crock of crap.

    http://www.iflscience.com/editors-blog/discovery-of-14000yearold-settlement-in-canada-could-rewrite-north-american-history/

    Like

    • OK I am going to write these folks…

      https://www.hakai.org/

      And here’s why. If they knew they were going to stick to the holy word about the land crossing then they should have kept their mouths shut about the find or lied about the dating of the find. The cat is now out of the bag with the dating and they need to be exposed for this deception.

      Check this out… So they knew how to float on the eastern side of the land bridge aye? They dated this site to 14,000 yrs ago aye? Well wouldn’t this be the exact time or BEFORE anyone crossed the land bridge according to the common consensus that they crossed 13 to14 kya ? They just woke up one morning to a whole thriving expansive Sea Culture and all of sudden knew how to swim?

      Nope…Nope…Nope… It just doesn’t happen this fast.

      I’m going to go back and get a screen shot of that update note because it is going to disappear. 🙂

      Like

      • The edit doesn’t surprise me at all. What is the big deal with admitting man has sailed the seas since the dawn of time? Denying it is idiotic! If nothing else I think some humans in boats would have followed the shorelines all the way around to the New World.

        YES the cat is out of the bag now and they need to admit it! Enough of the fantasy bullshit. You know we are actually supposed to believe that SE Asians didn’t get to South America via sailing but instead they walked all the way to the Alaska landbridge and crossed down into North America and then South America. How ignorant is that??

        Right now I’m trying to choke down the latest “revised” theory on the Hobbit. Now they think it is NOT a mini-erectus and comes from H. habilis instead. Seriously? There is a BIG revision going on for some reason that involves H. habilis migrating far out of Africa before Erectus. So now we are suppose to believe Habilis migrated out of Africa to Indonesia? They didn’t migrate out of anywhere! And, frankly, I think the so called Hobbit is an extinct MONKEY!

        Like

  3. Lol…. You are welcome to do that anytime you like! That’s what it is there for! I kind of figured you would definitely have an opinion for that one. lol

    I did some more digging around and ran across this addition tidbit about the island…

    “According to Heiltsuk Nation oral tradition, the island remained ice-free during the last ice age, when much of North America was covered by glaciers.

    “IT WAS ONE OF THE VERY FEW PLACES ON OUR TERRITORY WHERE THE ICE DIDN”T REACH and because of that, that was where our people flocked for survival,” Housty said.

    The archeological findings support that, and also show that sea levels have been relatively stable in that area, which is why the island was not submerged like other ancient villages.

    Housty said the discovery shows “how the history that we’ve been talking about for thousands of years is true, it’s not just something that has been made up.”

    Am I reading this right? They went to the island before or during the last age? Meaning they were already on North America before or during the last Ice age?

    http://www.timescolonist.com/news/local/village-site-on-triquet-island-proves-to-be-ancient-history-1.15548137

    Like

    • “IT WAS ONE OF THE VERY FEW PLACES ON OUR TERRITORY WHERE THE ICE DIDN”T REACH and because of that, that was where our people flocked for survival,” Housty said.

      Which means they were there BEFORE the last Ice Age! And the archaeological evidence supports it!!

      “……sea levels have been relatively stable in that area, which is why the island was not submerged like other ancient villages.”

      So much for the lower GLOBAL sea levels during the last ice age!

      “Housty said the discovery shows “how the history that we’ve been talking about for thousands of years is true, it’s not just something that has been made up.”

      Sadly, this is what many researchers have assumed for decades, that is, indigenous peole’s oral traditions are “wild tales” with no scientific proof. Guess that theory just went out the window with this discovery too LMAO!!

      “Am I reading this right? They went to the island before or during the last age? Meaning they were already on North America before or during the last Ice age?”

      Absolutely you are reading it right JR!!

      These people had boats. They knew how to sail on the water. Their diets was mostly from the sea. These people were Sea People. So why are the “experts” trying to negate or minimize these FACTS?

      Like

  4. Here are some interesting notes I took from the Makah tribal website at the link below. These indigenous people live in the Pacific Northwest:

    “Makah spoken history (oral tradition) tells the story of ancient times when the Makah people lived in a world that revolved around the sea and land.”

    “The Makah are highly skilled mariners, using sophisticated navigational and maritime skills, they were able to travel the rough waters of the Pacific Ocean an the swift waters of the Strait of Juan de Fuca with relative ease.”

    “They used various types of canoes carved from western red cedar. There were canoes used for a myriad of purposes, each one specifically created for that task.”

    “There were war, whaling, halibut, salmon, fishing, sealing canoes and large cargo canoes.”

    “There were even smaller canoes which children used to practice.”

    “The canoes had sails so that paddlers could use the wind to their advantage.”

    “The Makah were tireless paddlers and traveled great distances to obtain food or trade their wealth.”

    SOURCE: http://makah.com/makah-tribal-info/

    ********************************************************************

    It appears to me these people’s oral traditions have a long, long history of sailing the sea and that the Makah have had some very extensive knowledge about sailing the Pacific waters and maritime technology. They are a SEA PEOPLE!

    Not sure how far back their oral traditions go but this is highly significant in proving ancient humans DID know how to sail the open waters and had the “primitive” technology to do so! Notice the Makah has canoes with SAILS and CARGO canoes?

    FANTASTIC!!

    Like

  5. The Cowichan Tribe of the Pacific Northwest (British Columbia) ———–

    Notes from the book entitled “When the Land was Young” by Sharman Russell:
    [from page 166]—-

    Oral traditions go back MORE THAN 10,000 years, to the days of the Pleistocene. Many Native American oral traditions begin with stories of “dark worlds” that may refer to the Arctic Circle and the land bridge crossed by the first band of Mongoloids.

    Other oral traditions seem to describe glacial ice sheets and dramatic weather patterns associated with the end of the Pleistocene.

    Diverse tribes talk of monsters that could be memories of extinct animals kike the mammoth and giant short-faced bear.

    “A serious look at oral tradition could provide a whole new set of information for scholars.”

    North American tales (oral traditions) may stretch back all the way to Asia. In some cases the marriage of science and oral tradition can have very specific results. For instance, a Cowichan (tribal) memory of ice sheets at Puget Sound could place settlement of that area at 15-29 kya.

    [from page 167]—-

    “Archaeology’s neglect of oral history borders on disdain.”

    “In particular, the idea that Native Americans crossed the Bering Strait from Asia COUNTERS specific origin tales—the Oglala sprang from the caves of the Black Hills or the Tohono O’odham (of Arizona) sprang from Mount Baboquivari or the Nez Perce from Kakayohneme Creek.”

    SOURCES:

    https://books.google.com/books?id=rKEz0DJO_RkC&pg=PA166&lpg=PA166&dq=cowichan+oral+traditions&source=bl&ots=mEIm0zPqgG&sig=lJzwZzu6jec4wD1VU4ijbsHOtvU&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjMjJ3q07vTAhUN62MKHRHcDbUQ6AEIJzAB#v=onepage&q=cowichan%20oral%20traditions&f=false

    http://www.cowichantribes.com/about-cowichan-tribes/history/pre-european-contact/

    Like

  6. I am in the same Boat you are…we really need to take more heed of oral tradition. Especially these about earlier seafaring cultures. The whole land bridge theory just doesn’t make sense. It is only about 60 miles across the strait and you can literally see Alaska from Russia if looking across from a low hill. Man’s innovation never kicked in to try and get there?

    Even if they didn’t paddle, just the current, the prevalent easterly wind direction and the coreolis effect would have pushed them across the strait and right up against the northwestern tip of Alaska. All the physical mechanics would have been in their favor to just float across with ease, even if it was totally by accident!

    Like

  7. I think they looked across the waters and saw land in the distance and wanted to get there to see what was there. So they made rafts and dugouts and off they went to that land. Man is a curious creature and an innovative one. He learned how to be a mariner likely via trial and error an he learned how to swim. He learned the sea could provide him with food an before long water was no longer a barrier. An to top it off he soon discovered that upon his raft or riding in his dugout he could get to places a lot faster than by walking. And so began the first rapid transit technology of the human race…….

    Like

  8. this all makes perfect sense to me. i developed an intense fear of water when i was 5 yoa. we were up at coopers lake camping and i was wading in the shallows. i fell back in the water. all i needed to do was sit up and all would be ok. but my bro tried to save my life, he grabbed my feet and dragged me out of the water. i got water in my nose and down my throat, gagging and choking instilling an intense fear of drowning and water. when i was 12 i had to learn to do a surface dive for boy scout swimming. facing my intense fear, i did it and that fear turned into a severe regret: i didn’t have gills because i loved it. once our AHA learned how to hold their breath and dog paddle it was a matter of a short time that we conquered the seas as well as our fears. when they saw a log on the ocean moving almost like magic it was just matter of a short time that they carved one out and the wood age began. not only that we increased our food supply to include delicacies like lobster, clams, crab… it doesn’t take a PHD or be a whizbang, a little common sense and curiosity. also i don’t think they always just walked, they could jog and run long distances, another skill we are losing in our domesticated culture.

    Like

  9. Additionally, some people are natural born swimmers. In fact, all of us here know a person who has swam from a very early age and no one ever taught him how. He just knew how. Who is it? Dr Peron! Now he’ll probably get me for divulging his secret lol.

    Like

    • You are covered Barb. 🙂 If I remember right, Roberto and I have actually talked about that here a couple times, yep, he said he was born for the water. lol

      I am the same, My Mom threw me in and said “sink or swim” and my instincts told me to swim. lol I think she was hoping for an interview and a headline in the paper.

      Like

      • From what I understand the natural ability to swim is more common in humans than most people think. I had to be taught and was deathly afraid of the water at first. So I think we could say that in some people swimming is just an innate ability and that leads me to wonder if there is something genetic in it? Did you guys have ancient ancestors who swam and somehow that ability was passed on to you both so you two just do it “naturally.”? Just thinking out loud.

        Like

        • Sorry, I was multitasking again. 🙂 That was part of the conversation Roberto and I had. We were debating where the presumptions and fear of water came from. Personally I think it comes from predisposed caution signals that still remain in our subconscious and brain stem. Similar to the natural fear of Snakes just about everyone has built in as primeval instinct.

          But I also think there are some human influenced factors too. We are, and have always been told “Stay away from the water” since birth. Then there are influences in superstitions. Like ancient Sumerian laws that judge someone by throwing them in the water. If they sink they were guilty, if they float they are innocent.

          And from these type of influences came a fear of water because they were afraid of the judgment that might be put apon them if they do get in the water. There are influences from the Bible to this effect also. So just plain Superstition could now be rooted and added into our subconscious as primeval instincts.

          Like I say the fear of snakes would be the same. First as a common sense precaution implanted over time because some snakes are truly dangerous along with superstitions originating from mans own creativity. I really think the reason most people have a deathly fear of snakes was because of the words in Genesis about Adam and Eve and to never trust a Serpent.

          Actually…I really think early Christian superstitions are part of why there is still a common consensus that all man species were hydrophobic.

          Does this make sense? 🙂

          Like

  10. EVIDENCE THAT PACIFIC COAST NATIVE AMERICANS SAILED TO HAWAII AND ASIA

    kwak canoe 1
    I ran across this post yesterday and wanted to note it here as it discusses Native American cultures and canoes. The people living in the coastal regions were oriented towards the sea and rivers and they developed their canoes with a great degree of sophistication and artistry. Their canoes were large, elegant, and seagoing.

    When the first Europeans came into their native lands they were amazed at the carrying capacity and construction of these Native American canoes which were used for fishing, whaling, and trade. That tells me that these people had a long tradition of sailing before the first Europeans arrived. The Haida people even have oral traditions that tell of sea voyages to Hawaii and, honestly, that’s pretty significant because that tells me that these people could sail half-way across the Pacific with no problem. So why not all the way across the Pacific with no problem?

    Canoes were the primary source of transportation for these coastal Native American people since the dawn of time. They went on long trading voyages and distance was measured in how far a canoe could travel in a day.

    Many of these canoes used a single sail and other used paddles. They used bladders in rough waters to keep the canoe upright during voyages. In a moderate sized canoe people could travel about 40 miles per day.

    Many of the oral traditions of these Pacific Coastal Native Americans speak of using sails and bladders on the open seas. They also speak of trading with what we call Hawaii today and there are items found that indicate they traded with Asia as well. So if these people were sailing the sea and trading with Hawaii and Asia then that means they not only had sophisticated maritime skills but they also knew exactly how to get to these places in their canoes. Honestly, it’s not hard to theorize that at some point in the remote past the ancestors of these people left Asia and came to the Pacific Coast of the Americas in their sailing canoes. That means they came across the water not the land bridge to the north in Alaska.

    Non-native scholars have insisted that Europeans introduced the sail to Native Americans but the evidence says NOT TRUE. These coastal people were using sails long before the first Europeans ever arrived. And there is evidence they were conducting trade with Hawaii and Asia.

    Some of the Tingit canoes were 35-65 feet long and 6-8 ft wide. They could carry 50-60 people. Some had a 5 ton capacity too.

    kwak3

    kwak canoe 2

    These people didn’t develop their sailing technology overnight. Their oral traditions go way back and speak of sailing the seas and waterways. Honestly, in my mind what these oral traditions are telling us is that these people were maritime people capable of sailing great distances on the ocean with no to little problem. So why would their ancestors WALK across a land bridge when they could have more easily used their canoes to come to the Americas?

    For more information on this and some great pics of these Native American canoes go to:

    http://nativeamericannetroots.net/diary/1184

    Like

    • Excellent find and work Barb! You’ve earned your keep LOL. I’d like to know when and for how long these native people were trading and sailing to Hawaii and Asia. I wonder if they have any oral traditions concerning when their ancestors may have came from Asia or wherever they came from?

      I think you should move this to its own article because you’ve given us some excellent information. 🙂

      Like

      • Absolutely! It indeed would be an excellent and worthy article in it’s own right! 🙂

        And you owe her a Pizza Roberto! lol

        Like

        • Thank you and I’ll take some extra Canadian bacon on mine lol. I gave it a new title “Oral Traditions: Pacific Native Americans Sailed to Hawaii and Asia” and I also added a new category “Oral Traditions.”

          Like

  11. Oh wow… Super good find Barb! Bladders! Well how about that, Advanced physics and mechanical engineering!

    And here is probably the most important statement in it:

    “These people didn’t develop their sailing technology overnight.”

    No they did not, Just look at how long it took for stone tools to advance and be refined. And then there is the ever present “That’s not the way my did it” strong observance and practice of tradition most all early cultures clung too. So advancements truly did come pretty slow.

    Fantastic find Barb! thank you…I m going to go read more on there! 🙂 🙂 🙂

    (this is a triple smiley article Barb!!!) lol

    Like

    • Thank you JR for the kind compliments and the triple smileys. I don’t have any proof but I have a suspicion that the ancestors of these people were sailing for a very long time in their past. Honestly, I think this is pretty amazing because it gives credence to the theory that not all First Nation people walked across the Beringia land bridge. As I said earlier even if they used canoes to follow the shorelines along Asia north to the land bridge and finally into the Americas that’s significant. And I’m also thinking that these people may have “island hopped” in their canoes to get to the Americas instead. Also, this has got me wondering if something similar didn’t happen on the other side of the pond in the Atlantic too.

      Like

      • Absolutely! I was chasing down similarities of West Africans and the indigenous Brazilians the other day because of the H. Erectus map. The area at the tip of Africa also has some interesting stuff related to this I want to dig into further. 🙂

        Thank you Barb, you really are a pleasure to converse with and interact with! You are a great asset to Roberto’s Program here. 🙂

        Liked by 1 person

  12. that’s not the way my dad did it is a big hindrance even today. i ran into this in the cabinet business. his dad did it in the 1950’s and this was 2007, the digital age. when i worked in group home with challenged young adults there was a girl that could swim naturally as there was no formal training just fun swimming and splashing. i could see plain as the sun is in the sky that she could swim, underwater even. since group home policy was “least restrictive environment” , i took her to the deep end. she was a little nervous, but as soon as she realized swimming in the deep end was no different than shallow she took to it. i never left her side, she was proud that she was where nobody else was. i got my ass chewed by a do gooder. “take her back to the shallow” i said she KNOWS how to swim, look she is doing it. no matter the do gooder was a boss. she was disappointed, that was plain as her ability to swim. guess what? I WON, but she didn’t. sad, that is. Barb is right, for some it comes natural others not so much and superstition is crippling.

    Like

    • Modern humans tend to flock over new shiny things now days. Look at the mass riots at stores over a new cell phone model. They even go camp outside all night before. This is a prime example and definition of “consumerism”. And frankly…possible mental illness. We are too much in a hurry and impatient. Early cultures practiced patience.

      I think this was not an issue early man had to deal with. Most cultures were minimalists and took no more than they truly needed, so there was a lesser degree of greed. Respecting and worshiping their elders was a huge part of most cultures so with this would naturally come sticking to traditional ways of their ancestors. And truly, they were in absolutely no hurry like we are now days.

      I think this may have been fairly important and positive though. They had to pass down skills and knowledge through apprenticeships and history stories. It was very important to them that these stories were as accurate as possible going into the future. So sticking to the “old ways” helped preserve much needed skills and history.

      I have to look at it this way…how many old world pre-electricity skills have already been lost to our culture even now? In some ways it is important to stick to traditional values. Some cultures still do, The Asians are huge on perfectly repeated and practiced traditional ceremonies! It is a spiritual adherence for them. Just sitting down to have tea is a whole ceremony of it’s own. and they are in no hurry.

      Sticking to “Dad’s Story was important. I ran across something this morning that I think might fit this discussion about traditional values. The Cochiti Pueblo tribe make Clay Dolls as “visual aids” called (Story Tellers) while telling stories about their past history. Here’s the interesting thing about this… Some of these are traditional story telling dolls happen to be Polar Bears.

      Is that wild or what? A southwestern tribe talking about polar bears in their own historical timeline! I am now trying to figure out the connection with this tidbit! lol

      Liked by 1 person

        • Well it looks like I let myself be fooled by terminology and my statement is wrong. They kept using the term “Polar Bear” and this misled me. This is what I found after a LOT of digging. But there are still references to a land of ice and snow, But this could have been true anywhere in North America during or right after the ice age.

          They may have been depicting Kermode Bears and not Polar Bears…from a site selling Bear art…

          “And then there were white bears in some places known as spirit bears. These are from a recessive gene found in Black Bears and now know as Kermode Bears, they were not polar bears. They were gifts of the “Great Spirit” to remind people that they once lived in a land of ice and snow.”

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kermode_bear

          Sorry about that, I got excited about the concept too! lol

          Like

  13. I think we’ve had some really great conversations here this past weekend with Randolph’s “Mystery Bone” and this, the “Sea People.” A lot of good ideas have been floated around and we’ve actually found some evidence.

    Like

    • I absolutely agree Barb, and to be honest your input, knowledge and research aided greatly in the continuity of these great conversations! Thank You!

      Liked by 1 person

Leave a Reply

Fill in your details below or click an icon to log in:

WordPress.com Logo

You are commenting using your WordPress.com account. Log Out / Change )

Twitter picture

You are commenting using your Twitter account. Log Out / Change )

Facebook photo

You are commenting using your Facebook account. Log Out / Change )

Google+ photo

You are commenting using your Google+ account. Log Out / Change )

Connecting to %s