22 comments on “Seafaring and Ancient Sea Levels

  1. Lol… You beat me by about 5 seconds with your reply to Mark S on AO. I too am so sick of the consensus that all Early man was hydrophobic. I even read somewhere that Heidelbergensis were thought to have built rafts for fishing. And there is plenty of Protein along both Polar Icecaps.

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  2. I posted before reading it. Great article my friend! I did not know about the hand axes! Well there you go… Proof

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    • Yes there is evidence Heidelberg Man made and use rafts for fishing. And what was to prevent him from using his rafts for other purposes such as exploration? Animals, including humans, always take the path of less resistance as I’m sure you already know. That’s why dry arroyos (river beds) are like wildlife highways. In this case seafaring would have been the path of less resistance as opposed to over-land walking IMO. The BIGGEST problem I see in the migration theories is we under credit our ancient human ancestors. This stems from our own ethnocentrism in my estimation. Obviously, our ancestors must have been intelligent or they would not have survived and we would not be here today. Humans tend to be innately adventurous, innovative, and ingenious to varying degrees today. So why not the same in the past? I think it was so.

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      • I have to tell you a little story. One fine day myself, my younger brother, and my cousin were out hiking around near a river. We were all in our early teens. We wanted to cross the river and get to the other side to check some things out. We couldn’t find a nearby passage without walking a long distance where the water was more shallow. So my brother and cousin came up with the idea of building a raft. We built it all from the natural material near the riverbank. We climbed on and set sail. About 3/4 of the way across the raft began to come apart LOL. Luckily we could all swim! Now how many ancient people had the same thoughts as we did that day and did the same thing over the eons? Many I suspect!

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  3. Oh absolutely. I spoke with someone on AO awhile back, but don’t remember for sure who it was about why we just insist on Early Man being afraid of the water. Is it deep rooted superstitions and the fear of water within ourselves?

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    • Is it? I myself am a natural born swimmer. No one ever taught me how to swim and I’ve never had a fear of water. In fact, I’ve always felt very safe and at home in water of all depths and in various environs. There are many more people that have this innate “talent” as well. So I never have bought the idea that our ancient ones were fearful of the water LOL. Oh I’m sure SOME where but I’m also sure some were not. And I’m sure some were superstitious about the water while others were not also. Thus, superstition and fear of water is just bullshit in my opinion.

      Of course you do realize that IF the mainstream should ever admit prehistoric people were seafarers then that means they could have reached the ends of the earth! Now that would demand MAJOR changes in theory especially in regards to ancient humans in the Americas LOL.

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  4. I don’t think Jesus walked on water…I think he knew how to swim and they had never seen it before. You know they used to judge someone for a crime by casting them into the water. If they sank they were guilty and punished by God/Gods. If they survived and made it to the shore they were judged as innocent by the higher powers. These kind of superstitions tend to linger on forever. 🙂

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  5. Seriously though… The question has always made me curious, just like the deep rooted fear of snakes. As we know this superstition came from the Biblical Serpent yet it still lingers in the brain root stem as a primal instinct for almost everyone. Always wondered if the “Fear of Water” thing was similar and influences our perspective of Early Man in the same way. lol

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    • The more salt content the LESS likely something is to sink in such waters. The Dead Sea has a very high in fact unusual salt content. I suspect that content may have been even higher in Jesus’ time enabling him to actually walk or appear to “walk” on the water!

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  6. In the National Geo link above the ancient humans who got to Crete may well have been Heidelbergensis. They got there somehow and they certainly did not walk so that only leaves the idea they got there by boat or raft. That likely means this species/breed of ancient man was “island hopping”! Homo heidelbergensis (aka Homo rhodesiensis) had the same sense of adventure and ingenuity as H. erectus! The stone axes prove he was on Crete and they also prove he used seafaring techniques to get there. This is NOT a case of no evidence for prehistoric seafaring as the clues and some evidence is around. Question is, do we recognize the evidence for what it is? Sadly sometimes not.

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  7. This means we need to chase down even more evidence! Unfortunately water craft were not made of stone, or there would be a whole bunch lying around ! lol

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  8. We like to think we are objective but really we are not. Ultimately we view everything within our own cultural context. We like to think we are pluralistic but in fact we are not as our own ethnocentrism blinds us to others ultimately!

    FACT is there is PLENTY of evidence all around the world from times when humans lived underground for whatever reason. We find massive man-made cave systems everywhere. We find remains of human civilization that had once dwelt in caves systems instead of atop the ground for some reason. Yet we basically ignore it! But might not these cave systems fit squarely in with Native America and even European and Asian stories? And might we learn something from them? Was there a time when humankind was hiding from something lurking on the surface? We’re our true origins first underground?

    The social sciences DO in fact need to move beyond ethnocentrism! And we badly need to change our world view! Why must we maintain our old views in such deep concrete? Why does such a change threaten us? What are we afraid of finding or discovering?

    Great article and it’s been what I’ve been saying for a long time now.

    Thanks for the link and info JR.

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    • My pleasure Sir. Using Ockham’s Razor, I think some might know but for some reason the truth is being hidden, It seems to be the simplest answer. Anthropology has always been about information control, look at the past elite British clubs and organizations that were just as controlled and secret as the Free Masons.

      Even now. It took all day yesterday of searching to put together just a few significant details about Pendejo Cave. They want me to buy a book which has already in it’s self been discredited. I think Pendejo cave is one of the most significant finds in the Americas, But if accepted as legitimate, all the other books and expert theories would stop selling and become useless as bargaining chips for funding.

      So it’s all about the money, Funny thing though, Even the most so called “credible” thesis is still just a thesis and best guess. In reality there is no way to determine a whole culture and species lifestyle based on just a couple skull fragments no matter how much a person paid into the education system to purchase more credibility. 🙂

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